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Anyone have the flag picture in SVG format? Frap 19:05, 2 January 2006

Anarchist cookbook

I dont know how much relevance you guy might think this has to the article but "Jolly Rogers" is also the official/unofficial author of the Anarchist Cookbook (hehe which makes perfect sense now since the book is pretty much about scamming, stealing, and just being an all around pirate). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.213.82.112 (talk • contribs) 14:39, 1 June 2008

"Jolly Roger" or "Skull and Crossbones"?

The article indicates that a Jolly Roger is the pirate flag, and skull and crossbones is the symbol commonly found on it. Which means most of the "sports" examples belong in the latter category unless explicitly depicted on a flag (like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers). If there are no objections, I'm going to start moving those examples to the other article. SixFourThree (talk) 20:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That argument can be made sure, but a Jolly Roger is historically often defined as a "flag featuring the skull and crossbones" or a black such, rather than "pirate flag" in general. It appears in the 1720s, by which time the black skull and bones flag had become the default pirate flag in the new world. By this definition i feel the sports flags can stay, as they most likely got their design from pirae usage, rather than old cavalry flags or danger symbols. This article is, however, full or errors and needs heavy cleanup (Odin gimme strength). The "Historical designs" section is 90% erroneous.--Blockhaj (talk) 01:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To further elaborate on the name; jolly probably refers to the toothy grin of a skull and roger can mean a variety of morbid things, especially for the period, the most notable being the devil. "Jolly Roger" can thus mean something akin to "the devil is coming for you and he is happy about it". Blockhaj (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The skull and crossbones has the same toothy grin. I'm going to move all examples that aren't of actual flags into that article. 02:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)